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IMMORTAlMITCH · Jun 28, 2008, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by makosi

they dev team won't do anything because then rangers wouldn't see any high end play.

The dev team doesn't do anything because the skills aren't problematic.

There's plenty of ways to avoid getting interrupted, suck less.

DarkNecrid · Jun 28, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

yeah i just dont get why you think d-shot or savage are imba or whatever. they are good skills that give you a nice (but not overpowered) benefit for having actual skill and is very much an active skill. If a Ranger gets a d-shot on you, you deserve that disabled time.

Hyper Cutter · Jun 28, 2008, 02:12 AM // 02:12

If you're so afraid of rangers, go stand within 5 feet of a wall, they won't be able to touch you

erk · Jun 28, 2008, 07:06 AM // 07:06

There are worse than Ranger interrupts, for example a Mesmer using just a single skill [[Psychic [email protected]] can interrupt and disable any skill regardless of line of sight ever 2-3sec. until they run out of energy. It's totally over powered.

Guillaume De Sonoma · Jun 28, 2008, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Don't nerf skills that reward intelligent play please.

Akaraxle · Jun 28, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

The dev team doesn't do anything because the skills aren't problematic.

There's plenty of ways to avoid getting interrupted, suck less.

Wrong. Don't ignore the fact that Dshot and Savage were acknowledged by ANet to be on thin line between powerful and overpowered, and slight nerfs were discussed. The only reason why they have never been touched is because they were/are needed to stop other much more overpowered skills in the game.

pah01 · Jun 28, 2008, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

Wrong. Don't ignore the fact that Dshot and Savage were acknowledged by ANet to be on thin line between powerful and overpowered, and slight nerfs were discussed. The only reason why they have never been touched is because they were/are needed to stop other much more overpowered skills in the game.

Overpowered in an environment where the game is balanced where skill wins out over build - yeah.

Overpowered now? RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO no

Lord Natural · Jun 28, 2008, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Signet of motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing midnight + plague sending is so damn broken in 4v4 play. At least with overpowered warrior shutdown in the past there was always a fail point (curses -> slow cast, b surge -> 3/4 spam). It's retarded that you can sit there in your 40% set and not get a single break. Unless the mesmer is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible at it or you have a ff necro, gfg.

makosi · Jun 28, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

If you're so afraid of rangers, go stand within 5 feet of a wall, they won't be able to touch you

Walls aren't reliable. Arrows go through all sorts of crap.

The Meth · Jun 28, 2008, 12:37 PM // 12:37

You can make a small nerf on ranger interrupts when the 50 overpowered skills that rangers have to interrupt or their team loses are nerfed as well.

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Originally Posted by makosi

Walls aren't reliable. Arrows go through all sorts of crap.

Except sometimes air.

Krill · Jun 28, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by erk

There are worse than Ranger interrupts, for example a Mesmer using just a single skill [[Psychic [email protected]] can interrupt and disable any skill regardless of line of sight ever 2-3sec. until they run out of energy. It's totally over powered.

That's exactly what I was gona say when I read that...nerf ranger interrupts and you'll end up with more pd mes's which are more annoying imo, but are much more of a liability and less flexible.

Shmanka · Jun 28, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Cass

In my opinion, the most overpowered part of the current metabuild is the Dervish. Wounding strike is too strong.

Your right, Restore Conditions doesn't exist. Oh wait it does, its just on perma lock with Sig Hum.

shoogi · Jun 28, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Guillaume De Sonoma

Don't nerf skills that reward intelligent play please.

That wins the discussion. D-shot, savage and PD aren't overpowered anyway, they have enough cons.

kostolomac · Jun 28, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by erk

There are worse than Ranger interrupts, for example a Mesmer using just a single skill [[Psychic [email protected]] can interrupt and disable any skill regardless of line of sight ever 2-3sec. until they run out of energy. It's totally over powered.

WoW , you got owned by a competent mesmer and now you want the skill nerfed. Anyhow , a mesmer spamming PD won't help his team much.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Jun 28, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

Wrong. Don't ignore the fact that Dshot and Savage were acknowledged by ANet to be on thin line between powerful and overpowered, and slight nerfs were discussed. The only reason why they have never been touched is because they were/are needed to stop other much more overpowered skills in the game.

Stop already with the crusade against expertise Aka, it gets old.

Cass · Jun 28, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

Your right, Restore Conditions doesn't exist. Oh wait it does, its just on perma lock with Sig Hum.

Dervsmite is kinda gone now, but the biggest issue I had with WS was the spammability of a 100+hit attack. It's still pretty strong, but perhaps justified as a derv alternative role to being a tree.

erk · Jun 29, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

WoW , you got owned by a competent mesmer and now you want the skill nerfed. Anyhow, a mesmer spamming PD won't help his team much.

I don't care if the skill is nerfed I just said it's over powered because of it's spam rate, and it can interrupt any type of skill, even if it's behind a rock. PD seldom gets played in the current meta so who cares. If the job is interrupting tricky targets, then PD interrupts more often than a Ranger. You don't need to run PD on a Mes primary.

I don't think D-shot or Savage are overpowered.

Akaraxle · Jun 29, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

Stop already with the crusade against expertise Aka, it gets old.

I'm just reporting what I know and you don't, Mitch. Feel free to ask any one of your friends that was in a position to read about such discussions from over one year ago, and they should confirm it.

Dshot/Savage are extremely strong, and -- as Joe said -- if the game was balanced, they would likely need to be slightly toned down. In the end, rangers have always been a healthy template with an abusable primary attribute, a handful of very strong tools, and a big pile of trash skills.

Zabe · Jun 29, 2008, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by erk

I don't care if the skill is nerfed I just said it's over powered because of it's spam rate, and it can interrupt any type of skill, even if it's behind a rock. PD seldom gets played in the current meta so who cares. If the job is interrupting tricky targets, then PD interrupts more often than a Ranger. You don't need to run PD on a Mes primary.

I don't think D-shot or Savage are overpowered.

PD costs 10 energy. It self blackouts you. TELL ME IN RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING HELL HOW ITS OVERPOWERED YOU RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING MORON. Go back to eat your grandmoms juices.

garethporlest18 · Jun 29, 2008, 09:23 AM // 09:23

I think Signet of Midnight should be upped to 20s recharge. So there is 5 seconds of downtime where the mesmer can die and can't just win vs melee with that skills. It's kind of crappy to have to run W/Rt when you want to use /E because of blind.

Also where the hell is the skill balance?